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invst4profit

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More of my money being wasted on children fighting in the sand box.
If this goes forward the Liberal party will NEVER get my vote.
Given no other choice I will stop voting. At least that way whom ever
does get in power will be none of my doing.
 

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QUOTE More of my money being wasted on children fighting in the sand box.
Exactly, but what can you expect from guys who make less money than the average Fort McMurray Burger King Shift Lead? Politicians make peanuts, which is why the industry consistently attracts utter buffoons to run for "leadership" positions. Even the Prime Minister
makes about, what, $150K annually, maybe? That`s not that much money. You can be a middle manager in a big company, make a similar salary, and work about 30 hours/week pretty easily.

This is why you`ll never see real
business people in politics - it`s a bad business model! Smart people can make much more money, much quicker, with much less hassle. Until the compensation package is changed, you`ll always see second-rate talent vying for the top positions.
 

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I`ve heard this theory before. It`s a huge leap from the ideal of public service. Ideally you have people who have already succeeded outside of politics and don`t need the money. Earning a salary seems a strange reason to be compelled to enter politics.
QUOTE (Jack @ Nov 28 2008, 03:55 PM) Exactly, but what can you expect from guys who make less money than the average Fort McMurray Burger King Shift Lead? Politicians make peanuts, which is why the industry consistently attracts utter buffoons to run for "leadership" positions. Even the Prime Minister
makes about, what, $150K annually, maybe? That`s not that much money. You can be a middle manager in a big company, make a similar salary, and work about 30 hours/week pretty easily.

This is why you`ll never see real
business people in politics - it`s a bad business model! Smart people can make much more money, much quicker, with much less hassle. Until the compensation package is changed, you`ll always see second-rate talent vying for the top positions.
 

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QUOTE (Jack @ Nov 28 2008, 05:55 PM) Exactly, but what can you expect from guys who make less money than the average Fort McMurray Burger King Shift Lead? Politicians make peanuts, which is why the industry consistently attracts utter buffoons to run for "leadership" positions. Even the Prime Minister makes about, what, $150K annually, maybe? That`s not that much money. You can be a middle manager in a big company, make a similar salary, and work about 30 hours/week pretty easily.

This is why you`ll never see real
business people in politics - it`s a bad business model! Smart people can make much more money, much quicker, with much less hassle. Until the compensation package is changed, you`ll always see second-rate talent vying for the top positions.

Prime Minister salary was adjusted about 5 years ago to be a closer match to the USA, currently it`s somewhere around $250,000 per year, of which a portion is earned tax free. Personally I feel that if Mr. Harper would stop putting his own personal gains before the good of the country then we wouldn`t have to go through all this.
 

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QUOTE It`s a huge leap from the ideal of public service.

Haha, "public service".
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I don`t think these guys are too concerned with that.

What has Stephen Harper ever done besides graduate college? Can that even be considered an accomplishment? Seems to me like most politicians enter the field because they`re very well-educated in topics that don`t matter. IE, one will have an MA in East African History, another will have an advanced education in the fine field of Liberal Arts, etc. So they can enter politics, or they can work at Starbucks (if they`re attractive).
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As long as the salary remains as low as it is, we won`t be attracting the best and the brightest, period. I suppose Paul Martin is one exception to this rule of "unaccomplished" that immediately comes to mind, as he was quite successful as an entrepreneur. But he was old, and he probably just wanted to be the center of attention.
 

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QUOTE (Jack @ Nov 29 2008, 09:32 AM) Haha, "public service".
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I don`t think these guys are too concerned with that.

What has Stephen Harper ever done besides graduate college? Can that even be considered an accomplishment? Seems to me like most politicians enter the field because they`re very well-educated in topics that don`t matter. IE, one will have an MA in East African History, another will have an advanced education in the fine field of Liberal Arts, etc. So they can enter politics, or they can work at Starbucks (if they`re attractive).
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As long as the salary remains as low as it is, we won`t be attracting the best and the brightest, period. I suppose Paul Martin is one exception to this rule of "unaccomplished" that immediately comes to mind, as he was quite successful as an entrepreneur. But he was old, and he probably just wanted to be the center of attention.

I thought Paul Martin Sr. started the ship lines??
 

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they`d better be concerned with public service or we`re all in a lot more trouble than you know.

do you think obama, clinton, mulroney, or king ralph could have made a decent living outside of politics? sure there are some slugs, probably a lot, but the slugs are everywhere. which "successful businessman" in your office would you tap to lead this country?

consider another example; take a look around at senior REIN members who have been enormously successful in RE...would you say the bulk of them are money focussed? or do they have some other thing which drives them much more than money? if there is one common theme amongst that group, I`d say it`s that they make efforts to help others, whether it be through education, philanthropic work, or just help keeping focussed.

economy is important to you and me, but as hard as this may be to believe, there are things a lot more important. I don`t think I`d want to be governed by someone whose entered politics for money.

QUOTE (Jack @ Nov 29 2008, 09:32 AM) Haha, "public service".
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I don`t think these guys are too concerned with that.

What has Stephen Harper ever done besides graduate college? Can that even be considered an accomplishment? Seems to me like most politicians enter the field because they`re very well-educated in topics that don`t matter. IE, one will have an MA in East African History, another will have an advanced education in the fine field of Liberal Arts, etc. So they can enter politics, or they can work at Starbucks (if they`re attractive).
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As long as the salary remains as low as it is, we won`t be attracting the best and the brightest, period. I suppose Paul Martin is one exception to this rule of "unaccomplished" that immediately comes to mind, as he was quite successful as an entrepreneur. But he was old, and he probably just wanted to be the center of attention.
 

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Many enter politics for the contacts which lead to money later . Most have good intentions until they get to office. Maybe we should have a limited time to serve like 8 years then retirement.

Getting back to real estate, over the long run supply and demand rules the day .
 

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Harper is smart .. and surrounded by smart people ... he would have anticipated that the 3 parties don`t like the withdrawal of federal funds for their parties .. and thus, major howling .. and as such we either get a re-election in a few weeks or more likely we may get a new very weak coalition government for maybe 4-8 months .. then likely a new election .. and then a majority conservative government with more seats in ON and Quebec !

Pretty clever !

and yes, AB and BC (with maybe SK and MB) would be much better off as their own country within a North-American trade framework .. without the socialists from "out east" !!! Any country with a left leaning (or left of center) government has a weaker economy within a few months and thus: higher taxes, lower wages, lower GDP growth, less enterprising people, less private investment and more/bigger government !

NEP II .. here we come ??
 

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QUOTE (thomasbeyer2000 @ Nov 29 2008, 11:15 AM) Harper is smart .. and surrounded by smart people ... he would have anticipated that the 3 parties don`t like the withdrawal of federal funds for their parties .. and thus, major howling .. and as such we either get a re-election in a few weeks or more likely we may get a new very weak coalition government for maybe 4-8 months .. then likely a new election .. and then a majority conservative government with more seats in ON and Quebec !

Pretty clever !

and yes, AB and BC (with maybe SK and MB) would be much better off as their own country within a North-American trade framework .. without the socialists from "out east" !!! Any country with a left leaning (or left of center) government has a weaker economy within a few months and thus: higher taxes, lower wages, lower GDP growth, less enterprising people, less private investment and more/bigger government !

NEP II .. here we come ??

There seems to somethng up. I can`t imagine Harper and his gang doing what they did. NEP 2 might equal a new seperate alberta.
 

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QUOTE consider another example; take a look around at senior REIN members who have been enormously successful in RE...would you say the bulk of them are money focussed?

Yes.

And there`s nothing wrong with that. I don`t know them well enough to comment on their alledged "philanthropic work" that you speak of, but of course they`re money focused. Come on, Zander.
 

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Here is another way to look at Harper`s doing away with the political party funding, and it is a MAJOR concern to me.
I have had two conservative party workers tell me that there is a general, well founded, feeling within the party that Harper called the last election to put the Liberals into bankruptcy, or at least make them much less likely to call for a non-confidence vote for a while, and therefore a less effective opposition.

It is my feeling and belief that this reduction of the public funding is one more step to prevent a true opposition from forming, from calling non-confidence votes. It was designed to allow Harper to carry out his programs unfettered and unobstructed. Its true intent was to keep any opposition at bey.

I suggest this battle has less to do with money than it does for a struggle for unhindered power in Canada. If I am right, we all need to pay attention, and not shrug this off as children bickering. That is a HUGE HUGE
concern to me. Harper and George W seem to play games in subverting democracy. At least W is on his way out.
 

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QUOTE (Dan_Eisenhauer @ Nov 29 2008, 05:20 PM) Here is another way to look at Harper`s doing away with the political party funding, and it is a MAJOR concern to me.
I have had two conservative party workers tell me that there is a general, well founded, feeling within the party that Harper called the last election to put the Liberals into bankruptcy, or at least them much less likely to call for a non-confidence vote for a while, and therefore a less effective opposition.

It is my feeling and belief that this reduction of the public funding is one more step to prevent a true opposition from forming, from calling non-confidence votes. It was designed to allow Harper to carry out his programs unfettered and unobstructed. Its true intent was to keep any opposition at bey.

I suggest this battle has less to do with money than it does for a struggle for unhindered power in Canada. If I am right, we all need to pay attention, and not shrug this off as children bickering. That is a HUGE HUGE
concern to me. Harper and George W seem to play games in subverting democracy. At least W is on his way out.

Yeah, I`d buy that. I mean, it`s not like Harper hasn`t proven and re-proven himself to be a bully, time and time again. Unfortunately, too many people have interpreted that negative behaviour of his as "leadership".

Have a good one, all!

JohnS
 

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QUOTE (Dan_Eisenhauer @ Nov 29 2008, 04:20 PM) Here is another way to look at Harper`s doing away with the political party funding, and it is a MAJOR concern to me.
I have had two conservative party workers tell me that there is a general, well founded, feeling within the party that Harper called the last election to put the Liberals into bankruptcy, or at least them much less likely to call for a non-confidence vote for a while, and therefore a less effective opposition.

It is my feeling and belief that this reduction of the public funding is one more step to prevent a true opposition from forming, from calling non-confidence votes. It was designed to allow Harper to carry out his programs unfettered and unobstructed. Its true intent was to keep any opposition at bey.

I suggest this battle has less to do with money than it does for a struggle for unhindered power in Canada. If I am right, we all need to pay attention, and not shrug this off as children bickering. That is a HUGE HUGE
concern to me. Harper and George W seem to play games in subverting democracy. At least W is on his way out.

FINALLY, someone sees `behind the curtain` of this government!
 

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QUOTE (JohnS @ Nov 29 2008, 03:45 PM) Yeah, I`d buy that. I mean, it`s not like Harper hasn`t proven and re-proven himself to be a bully, time and time again. Unfortunately, too many people have interpreted that negative behaviour of his as "leadership".

Have a good one, all!

JohnS

For those of you in the west who are tired of being controled by the eastern socialist parties

http://www.separationalberta.com/
 

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QUOTE (mcgregok @ Nov 29 2008, 06:03 PM) For those of you in the west who are tired of being controled by the eastern socialist parties

http://www.separationalberta.com/


Yeah, what can I say? I`m just a whacked-out commie pinko, with my crazy ideas that both individuals and businesses should be responsible for their actions, or that a 2-tier health care system is probably the only way to save our system.

You found me out......

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Have a good one, all....or, should I say, have a good one, comrades!

JohnS
 
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