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Seperately metered utilites in multi-families

mark186

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I recently came across a 12 plex and was pleasantly surprised to see that each unit had its own gas heater and individual meter, which from my experience, is uncommon. The location of the building is high in rentals with the target market being low-income entry level renters. This does not mean the building caters to poor people, rather the units are small but clean, comfortable and ideally suited for younger people just starting out. The suite mix is 7 1 bedrooms and 5 two bedroom units. It is located in Dalton`s socialistic republic of Ontario.



While speaking with the listing agent, he mentioned that the building currently has seven (!) vacant units and the reason for this is that the target market of renters often chooses to rent elsewhere because the separate meters lead to a situation where they are responsible for first and last months rent, deposit for electricity and deposit for gas which is all too much at once for this target market. The building is for sale by a large company that owns a 1000 + doors and they only own it because it was a "throw in" of a portfolio of buildings they recently acquired. All of this information is from the listing agent – I have not yet verified any of it and would certainly do so before proceeding further.



I contacted the local utilities and found there is a $135 deposit for electricity and $250 deposit for gas with a one-time hook up fee of $35. There really is no way around the electricity deposit but the gas company will forego the deposit if the tenant a) was previously a client in good standing or, b) can provide a letter of reference from another gas provider or, c) is willing to go on an equal billing plan with pre-authorized payments from their bank account. Clearly item c is the most likely choice for most tenants. In both cases of the gas and electricity deposit, the amount is held for a year and then applied to the bill. Both utilities were inflexible in any other type of arrangement - I had asked if I could make the deposit, it be held in my name, and be notified if the tenant goes in arrears. My plan was to make it easier for the tenant to start a tenancy and hide a charge for the use of my money in the rent. For about three different reasons this is an unsuitable option.



My question is: has anyone else experienced a similar situation and can you offer any advice to overcome this? This is my first multi and I will likely not proceed further with this one as the high start out vacancy makes it financially unviable. This is disappointing because at full vacancy (less double the local vacancy rate) the building cash flows nicely and suits the REIN system as there is potential to increase cash flow by decreasing expenses in other areas. Any comments or suggestions are appreciated.
 

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A 12 suiter with individual sub-metered gas is AN EXCELLENT CHOICE .. as utilities are the highest cost item on the expense sheet.

This is very rare and you should jump up and down with joy !

We own such a (65 unit) building in Campbell River, BC !

The 7 vacancies may be for a number of reasons such as
a) poor landlording or
b) poor marketing or
c) poor onsite manager or
d) poor in-suite condition or
e) too high rent or
f) poor suite layout or
g) poor curb appeal or
h) poor location ..

but not with the sub-metered utilities.

Of course you have to adjust your rent to reality .. so if a 2BR with utilities included rents for $750 then maybe you can`t ask more than $680 ..

You could also have a phased in 1st and last months rent to allow tenants to not handover a big cheque on day 1 that indeed many tenants do not have !

Now, buying a property with 7 vacancies is very tricky .. as a bank will lend you little money .. maybe 50% loan-to-value if you`re lucky .. thus a large VTB is appropriate.

What is the asking price and "pro-forma" and "as is" rent roll ?
 

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QUOTE (thomasbeyer2000 @ Jun 21 2009, 10:44 AM) A 12 suiter with individual sub-metered gas is AN EXCELLENT CHOICE .. as utilities are the highest cost item on the expense sheet.

This is very rare and you should jump up and down with joy !

We own such a (65 unit) building in Campbell River, BC !

The 7 vacancies may be for a number of reasons such as
a) poor landlording or
b) poor marketing or
c) poor onsite manager or
d) poor in-suite condition or
e) too high rent or
f) poor suite layout or
g) poor curb appeal or
h) poor location ..

but not with the sub-metered utilities.

Of course you have to adjust your rent to reality .. so if a 2BR with utilities included rents for $750 then maybe you can`t ask more than $680 ..

You could also have a phased in 1st and last months rent to allow tenants to not handover a big cheque on day 1 that indeed many tenants do not have !

Now, buying a property with 7 vacancies is very tricky .. as a bank will lend you little money .. maybe 50% loan-to-value if you`re lucky .. thus a large VTB is appropriate.

What is the asking price and "pro-forma" and "as is" rent roll ?

Hi,

I too would like to see the numbers if you care to show them as I am thinking about multi`s and trying to learn as well. A couple of questions I have now include;

1) If gas deposit can be waived then the tenants only issue really is the eletrical at 135. Using Thomas`s numbers of rent reduction with utilities versus without utilities (ie.750 vs. 680) then this is a savings for the tenant on first and last months rent of $140.00. Wouldn`t this make it a virtual wash for the tenant?

2) Do most people deal directly with the listing agent and use a lawyer for offers on these buildings as opposed to using buyer agent?

Regards...Randy D.
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Re Thomas`s list of seven - e) is the most likely reason from what you`ve wrote. It shows well.
Unlikely large investment company is so poor at managing that at market rent 7/12 are empty. You can`t do anything about the other factors.

Ensure you run numbers with rent you can obtain.
 

Thomas Beyer

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QUOTE (RandyDalton @ Jun 21 2009, 10:08 AM) 2) Do most people deal directly with the listing agent and use a lawyer for offers on these buildings as opposed to using buyer agent?
this is preferred as the listing agent makes double the commission and is motivated to work on the seller for a lower price .. s.th. he may be unwilling to do if he has to share the commission with a 2nd agent !
 

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QUOTE (housingrental @ Jun 21 2009, 10:35 AM) Unlikely large investment company is so poor at managing that at market rent 7/12 are empty. ...
not necessarily .. as a 12 suiter us tough to manage and is easily overlooked in a large portfolio !
 

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How long has the property been on the market.
How long have the units been vacant.
The fact is if this is a larger company that acquired this building as part of a larger deal they may have completely ignored it allowing it to wallow as they concentrated on the part of the business they are truly interested in.
Use the vacancy rate to leverage a much lower purchase price. They will understand the numbers and realise the vacancy rate will be a issue for them. They will be motivated to remove it from there books and may take a far lower price as they may not have completely factored it into the original larger deal it came with.
 

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Following up my original post, I saw yesterday on the brokers website that the building is conditionally sold. I have only been aware of it being for sale a couple of weeks so my initial feeling is that somebody saw a good deal and “swooped in” and bought it. However, it may have been for sale for some time – I don’t know.



The asking price was $450,000 or $37,500 per suite. The rents given to me were an average of $496 for the 1 bedrooms and $599 for the 2 bedrooms which are about average for the area taking into account the utilities. The interesting thing which I didn’t mention in my first post was that the building was advertised as requiring a low down payment – 15% - as there was an existing mortgage which could be assumed for almost 70% of the sale price (4.7% interest) and the vendor was willing to take back 15% at 5% interest. They actually advertised it as a way to avoid CMHC fees which I thought was ironic considering the well known strategy of putting 15% down to get a lower rate using CMHC. There were minor touch ups needed. Pictures on the website (I was never actually in the building) showed new, clean appliances on fresh looking linoleum yet some faceplates were missing and one tub surround needed to be replaced. I do think of the reasons listed for the vacancies it was a strong combination of a) through to d). Also, one other thing I didn’t mention was that the onsite manager was not actually onsite at all – they were in a building next door. I think any new potential tenants were likely steered towards that building the company planned on keeping.



Some may shake their heads that I didn’t jump on this opportunity quicker, but as I mentioned, this was my first multi and I was proceeding with caution. I am aware of analysis paralysis but with multis there is less room for error. Until another good opportunity comes up I’m just going to continue buying cash flowing single family properties! Many thanks for everyone’s input.
 

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Some thoughts:

QUOTE (mark186 @ Jun 22 2009, 08:24 PM) ...

Following up my original post, I saw yesterday on the brokers website that the building is conditionally sold. I have only been aware of it being for sale a couple of weeks so my initial feeling is that somebody saw a good deal and “swooped in” and bought it. ...

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writing an offer is key to owning real estate ! Writing an offer FAST on a great deal is even more important.

It is VERY hard to buy well priced multi`s .. very hard !!

QUOTE (mark186 @ Jun 22 2009, 08:24 PM) ..

The asking price was $450,000 or $37,500 per suite. The rents given to me were an average of $496 for the 1 bedrooms and $599 for the 2 bedrooms which are about average for the area taking into account the utilities. .

sounds like a great deal to me on cursory analysis !

QUOTE (mark186 @ Jun 22 2009, 08:24 PM) The interesting thing which I didn’t mention in my first post was that the building was advertised as requiring a low down payment – 15% - as there was an existing mortgage which could be assumed for almost 70% of the sale price (4.7% interest) and the vendor was willing to take back 15% at 5% interest. They actually advertised it as a way to avoid CMHC fees which I thought was ironic considering the well known strategy of putting 15% down to get a lower rate using CMHC. ..

15% down is VERY hard to get these days .. thus a 15% down deal @ 37.5/door is a situation where you must write an offer FAST .. VERY FAST .. then analyze it .. and possibly walk away or modify terms later once it is under contract !
 

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QUOTE (thomasbeyer2000 @ Jun 21 2009, 01:24 PM) this is preferred as the listing agent makes double the commission and is motivated to work on the seller for a lower price .. s.th. he may be unwilling to do if he has to share the commission with a 2nd agent !


Hi Thomas,

Thank you for your comments.

Does this apply to 2-4/plexes as well or only 6plexes and up?

Do you recommend working the numbers, then viewing the property or visa/versa?

Regards...Randy D.
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