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I can`t believe i saw this( well ok i can considering the source!) Obviously these guys need to attend a few REIN meetings and look a little more long term! Enjoy!!


Housing boom over, Bank of Montreal says

By The Canadian Press - April 17, 2008

OTTAWA — Existing homes sales tumbled 13 per cent for the first three months of the year compared to last year and the resale market has become "more balanced" for the first time in nearly a decade, prompting one analyst to call the end of Canada`s hot housing market.

"Canada`s six-year housing market boom is officially over," Bank of Montreal economist Doug Porter said in response to the January-March survey released Thursday by the Canadian Real Estate Association.

"Aside from a few choice Prairie locales, sales are melting faster than this year`s snow pack," Porter said in a note.

"You know things are calming down quickly when the Canadian Real Estate Association says that the market is `more balanced compared to` any other quarter over the past nine years"

Porter said some of the previous hot markets, such as Calgary and Edmonton, have witnessed "spectacular declines in activity."

In Calgary, residential home sales slid 35.9 per cent or by 6,354 units during the quarter while new listings jumped 29.8 per cent, or by 16,794 units. Edmonton`s residential sales were also down, 29.8 per cent (4,071 units), and new listings were up 52.1 per cent (11,228 units).

CREA said that seasonally adjusted sales activity was down 7.1 per cent to 81,747 units in the quarter, compared to the previous quarter, which was the fourth-highest sales period ever.

The group said much of the slide was tied to lower activity in Toronto during February and March, because the city accounts for about a quarter of the country`s come sales in major markets.

Toronto saw its residential unit sales drop 13.4 per cent (17,721 units), though new listings were also down by seven per cent (36,885 units).

"Many major markets are becoming more balanced and price gains are becoming more modest as a result.

"This trend is forecast to continue, as rising mortgage carrying costs and property taxes erode affordability," CREA chief economist Gregory Klump said.

Other cities that saw large drops in sales in the first quarter include Vancouver, where sales slid 9.6 per cent, Winnipeg was down 7.7 per cent and Halifax fell 14.2 per cent.

Of the areas surveyed, sales were only up in Newfoundland by 14.3 per cent and Thunder Bay, Ont. by 9.5 per cent.

Overall, the average listing price in Canada was up 5.5 per cent to $327,620 in the January-March period, which is the weakest year-over-year quarterly increase since the end of 2001.

While the figure point to a slowdown in the Canadian housing market, CREA said there is no comparison to the housing slump south of the border.

"The residential average price continues to increase, unlike conditions in many U.S. markets," said CREA president Cal Lindberg.

"The size of the increase is returning to what we consider more normal levels for most markets in Canada, reflecting a sound but cooling market for existing homes.

"We are past the days of constantly setting MLS records."

Porter said that the double-digit decline in home sales was probably from bad weather and some "very real cooling" in the once sizzling markets.

"The real test will be how sales and prices fare in the crucial spring season," he wrote.

"Sales will likely remain down from year-ago levels, as buyers show increasing caution in the face of the U.S. downturn and reduced affordability.

"Even so, average home prices are still likely to post moderate gains this year."
 
I can`t believe i saw this( well ok i can considering the source!) Obviously these guys need to attend a few REIN meetings and look a little more long term!
Enjoy!!

222 I just ran across this video clip on Yahoo.ca http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/pop...2&ch=222562 "The Canadian Housing Market Cooling!"

I have had my Calgary house listed for 3 months and over the last 3 weeks, the lookers have disappeared now except for one showing. They were plentiful when i first listed listed, a dozen couples showed up at the open house and even some 2nd lookers over the course of the 3 months, then poof and everything went quiet. I just relisted it for another 3 months being more competitive with pricing. If it is this quiet now as we enter prime time buying, what will it be like later on in Sept to Dec?
 
These are great articles to attach to an offer. Most people believe the media and if you can lower the asking price by a few thousand dollars, then the more power to you.
 
QUOTE (joeiannuzzi @ Apr 19 2008, 06:43 AM) These are great articles to attach to an offer. Most people believe the media and if you can lower the asking price by a few thousand dollars, then the more power to you.

yes, a good time to BUY .. BUT AT THE RIGHT PRICE PLEASE .. WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF INCOME !!!

In many markets, including Calgary`s and Edmonton`s, prices have moved up SUBSTANTIALLY over the last 3-5 years .. so some cooling .. i.e. price DECREASE of perhaps 10-20% is NORMAL ! .. so yes, long term it will go up again .. but it may hover there in this "flattish" zone for a year or 2 .. and some folks will lose if they pay too much .. or have to sell too early .. !!

$500,000 for a 30 ft lot and a house with less than 2,000 sq ft ?? some price correction / leveling out is expected !

Alberta`s large cities, right after Vancouver, are now the most expensive parts of the country to live in .. and will likely remain that way as long as oil is over $100/barrel and the world need oil .. so in our life time for the next 30 -120 years .. until they find s.th. better to drive cars efficiently .. say an electric car derived from solar energy .. which equates to s.th. like $200 or $300/barrel !!

So, Alberta is a good buy with future equity upside .. AT THE RIGHT GOING-IN PRICE !!!

the market in Alberta is NOT UP UP UP in a straight line ! It is: UP UP WAY UP .. oops, down a bit .. flat .. UP .. down a bit .. UP .. WAY UP .. oops .. down ... down .. UP UP ... flat .... down .. UP UP UP .. oops down .. with media articles along each change in direction !

So, yes, if you take a long term view you WILL win .. BUT: you must have enough cash-flow from rent to ride this upwards slope with bumps along the road .. do you have enough money coming in each month to cover the bills: repairs, taxes, condos fees, mortgage payment, reserve, utilities ...?
 
QUOTE (thomasbeyer2000 @ Apr 19 2008, 10:06 AM) yes, a good time to BUY .. BUT AT THE RIGHT PRICE PLEASE .. WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF INCOME !!!

In many markets, including Calgary`s and Edmonton`s, prices have moved up SUBSTANTIALLY over the last 3-5 years .. so some cooling .. i.e. price DECREASE of perhaps 10-20% is NORMAL ! .. so yes, long term it will go up again .. but it may hover there in this "flattish" zone for a year or 2 .. and some folks will lose if they pay too much .. or have to sell too early .. !!

$500,000 for a 30 ft lot and a house with less than 2,000 sq ft ?? some price correction / leveling out is expected !

Alberta`s large cities, right after Vancouver, are now the most expensive parts of the country to live in .. and will likely remain that way as long as oil is over $100/barrel and the world need oil .. so in our life time for the next 30 -120 years .. until they find s.th. better to drive cars efficiently .. say an electric car derived from solar energy .. which equates to s.th. like $200 or $300/barrel !!

So, Alberta is a good buy with future equity upside .. AT THE RIGHT GOING-IN PRICE !!!

the market in Alberta is NOT UP UP UP in a straight line ! It is: UP UP WAY UP .. oops, down a bit .. flat .. UP .. down a bit .. UP .. WAY UP .. oops .. down ... down .. UP UP ... flat .... down .. UP UP UP .. oops down .. with media articles along each change in direction !

So, yes, if you take a long term view you WILL win .. BUT: you must have enough cash-flow from rent to ride this upwards slope with bumps along the road .. do you have enough money coming in each month to cover the bills: repairs, taxes, condos fees, mortgage payment, reserve, utilities ...?

Personally, I believe that it is a horrible time to buy in Alberta. Why would you buy when a price decrease of 10-20% or more is very possible? On a 300k property thats atleast 30-60k...maybe more. Why not be patient wait it out, bank some money, see how things play out, then when the market shifts get back in?
 
QUOTE (brendan82 @ Apr 20 2008, 10:03 PM) Personally, I believe that it is a horrible time to buy in Alberta. Why would you buy when a price decrease of 10-20% or more is very possible? On a 300k property thats atleast 30-60k...maybe more. Why not be patient wait it out, bank some money, see how things play out, then when the market shifts get back in?

Right now is an excellent buying opportunity. The masses have a very similar mindset as what you are stating (ie. the sky is falling and will continue to do so). Especially when you see articles such as above stating that the housing boom is OVER. That headline is enough to scare anyone, if you are not educated in the fundamentals of the market.

Right now there are many motivated sellers including the speculators that are now servicing mortgages on negative cashflowing "alligators". A great example is a good friend of mine purchased a pre-build home (against my advice) last year in Edmonton when the market was screaming hot. He expected to net $50K+ in his pocket when all was said and done. Well he took possession in early fall when the market started to cool off. Since then he has been servicing $2500/month in mortgage payments, taxes, bills and insurance on a big empty house, as well as his primary residence payment. He finally caved and rented the house out for $1800/month which eased the financial strain somewhat. Luckily he earns very high income and can handle it, but there are many out there who simply can`t afford to pay for (2) or more homes.

Long story short, now is a great time to be buying. There is no way in heck that the Alberta market will correct another 10-20%. Yes things have slowed but not to that extent. These kinds of discounts are available in many US markets right now with completely different fundamentals.

Take care,
 
Take note that all of the negativity comes from the group that are not REIN members.

REIN members know where to buy properties and what price to pay for them.

They know to hold long-term.

They know it doesn`t matter what the market does while they are holding the property and collecting the rent.

They know not to sell in a buyers market.

They know to buy in a buyers market and that it`s the perfect opportunity to find great deals and find properties that fit the system.

The REIN members who are taking action are happily enjoying the fruits of their efforts.

One more thing: REIN members have a vision and know the steps to take to get the end result they are looking for.
 
We are happy that we convinced friends of ours to rent out their house when they bought before selling their existing house.

They listed the house and saw no activity but the house rented within days when they put it on one of the online rental sites.

They had a lot of equity that they used for the down payment on the new house and they are able to move without worry.

Terry Kruse
 
QUOTE (brendan82 @ Apr 20 2008, 09:03 PM) Personally, I believe that it is a horrible time to buy in Alberta. Why would you buy when a price decrease of 10-20% or more is very possible? On a 300k property thats atleast 30-60k...maybe more. Why not be patient wait it out, bank some money, see how things play out, then when the market shifts get back in?

buying at the RIGHT price !!

Edmonton`s prices have already dropped 10-20% .. so may already be bottomed out .. Peace River and Grand Prairie: ditto .. Calgary - 5% .. and flat .. so plateau is here ..

Real estate "investors" in AB have been spoiled by having a month-to-month gain of 1-2% for the last 60 - 90 months or so .. this is NOT normal !

you do NOT buy for a short 6 month gain ! this is called FLIPPING or SPECULATION .. and is very risky ! You buy with AT LEAST a 2-3 year .. better a 5-8 year view .. then you WILL BE OK IN AB .. even if they drop another 5% by year end !!
 
Hi All,

Those who only study and respond to real estate stories are bound to over react when the markets are hot, and when the markets are not.

Thomas nailed it... Cash flow will ALWAYS be king. In an up market and a flat or downward trending market, without cash flow you can become a motivated vendor or a speculator.

The chicken littles have been out before in this market, and this time we are seeing even more get caught up, talking about the next NEP or other old-world theories.

Real estate investing is not based on studying real estate markets, it is based on understanding long term economic fundamentals. That way you are a seller when others are buying and a buyer when others are selling. You don`t respond to "I have my house listed for months` on the street comments because really, you know where you are going and you also know that in any market you can sell any property. Price and circumstances are key.

Good work to all of us studying where this market is headed... enjoy the next `exciting` 12 months as the market finds its feet again.

And most of all enjoy the "Chicken Littles" of the world telling you that they are selling everything and getting out. Look behind the curtain, maybe it is just that they have achieved their Belize and are planning to get out anyway.

(P.S. Check out the latest IMF report on Canadian real estate, and also make sure that you are not getting caught in a day-trade, react to the market mentality. )
 
One of the best things about REIN membership is having a long term perspective on things and seeing the bigger picture. Looking at the market only since it began it`s plateau and describing it in doom and gloom terms is like saying Arizona`s weather is lousy based one or two days of rain!

Another great thing about REIN membership is reading the posts on threads like this, and understanding exactly why other REIN members are saying the things they say. It confirms to me my thoughts about the long term when I see other REIN members thinking the same way.

So thanks to the REIN members that posted here today. Also thank you to the non-REIN members for posting because you remind me why I am a REIN member!

Cheers,
Terry
 
QUOTE (RebeccaBryan @ Apr 20 2008, 11:17 PM) REIN members know where to buy properties and what price to pay for them.

One more thing: REIN members have a vision and know the steps to take to get the end result they are looking for.

Such as renting out illegal suites?
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I have a peaceful conscience knowing that my suites are safe and clean. I screen my tenants to make sure they are safe citizens in the community.

And, I might add, I provide safe housing to working adults and their families. That`s my contribution to Edmonton`s prosperity. The City of Edmonton can`t build housing fast enough to accomodate all the workers we will need through until 2014 or even longer.

If the City of Edmonton chose to shut down all the illegal and non-conforming suites, you would see rents SKY ROCKET, and you would see tenants whining in the newspapers because they can`t find affordable housing, more so than they are already.

My suggestion to you is to read some of the Bylaws in Canadian Cities concerning illegal and non-conforming suites. Much of it has nothing to do with safety, and in my view that`s all the City of Edmonton should be looking at.

What`s your contribution?
 
QUOTE (RebeccaBryan @ Apr 22 2008, 10:46 AM) What`s your contribution?

To work within the guidelines of the `LAW`.
 
QUOTE (MONEY @ Apr 22 2008, 03:08 PM) To work within the guidelines of the `LAW`.


That`s very easy to do. Go buy an RF3 property in Edmonton that has a suite with proper window sizes, ceiling height, escape routes, etc. Make sure it has smoke detectors that work. Rent to quality tenants who won`t upset the neighbours
 
QUOTE (mortgageman @ Apr 22 2008, 07:28 PM) That`s very easy to do. Go buy an RF3 property in Edmonton that has a suite with proper window sizes, ceiling height, escape routes, etc. Make sure it has smoke detectors that work. Rent to quality tenants who won`t upset the neighbours

Exactly.
or even tie up a property subject to zoning, and apply to have the zoning changed for your designated use.
I`ve done that for some residential properties that were in an area of `change` as they were located near commerical zoned areas.
 
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