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Does Your Realtor Get Paid Too Much?

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From my latest blog post....enjoy.

When to use a REALTOR? It`s a question that many ask themselves when looking to buy or sell a house. Recent changes forced on the Multiple Listing Service by the Competition Bureau of Canada have brought a spot light back onto the industry. There is a sentiment in the general populous that realtors bring little value to the transaction of a home. Many will say "They got paid HOW much?" for simply listing a home. "I could have done that" is often the next statement. Companies like PropertyGuys.com and WeList have been making significant inroads into the Canmore market and you can see why. For under $1500 you can have your home listed on MLS, professional photos taken and have access to the contracts to facilitate a sale but what you wont get is any expertise in two key components: negotiation or marketing. It is estimated that between 15 and 25% of transactions happen without a realtor.

Being in the investment real estate industry you may be surprised to learn that I still use a realtor on about 90% of my transactions! Unless you are an expert in the local market, have a significant amount of time to invest in making a transaction happen and lastly have the expertise to make a sale proceed without major hiccups then you should to use a realtor. And not just any realtor but a great realtor. According to Jessica Stoner from Re/max Alpine a "great agent is someone that you can build a long lasting relationship with and can accommodate your specific needs." I would agree. Every seller and buyer is different and a great agent will understand and compliment those needs. A great realtor will also know when they are not the best agent for your situation and refer you to someone that is!

Like anything else the 80/20 rule applies. The top 20% of agents make 80% of the money. So often you are either doing really well as an agent or you are starving. The top agents are making a very respectable living earning $100,000/year or more but many agents are having to take second jobs to make ends meet. This is a very competitive market right now and the top agents are working hard to stay on top. On an average Canmore home sale price of $600,000 the commissions will be roughly $22,000 and spit in two for the sellers and buyers agent. Not a small chunk of change.

With current market conditions the reality is that many agents are getting creative in their fee structures. The old adage that it was 7% on the first $100,000 and 3% on the balance has definitely changed. Fees are up for negotiation! Like everything I think you get what you pay for. However, I also believe that the creative seller can come up with structures that benefit both the seller and the agent. True performance based structures such as a flat fee for a sale of X amount and a large commission for anything above X helps both the seller and the agent. Lets be honest half of 3% doesn`t really motivate a listing agent but half of $50,000 sure does! Find a scenario that works for both of you! Keep in mind that if you have a property that is going to be very hard to sell you may be paying more in fees than you used to as some agents are asking for a large upfront non-refundable fee and then a commission above that and rightfully so. If an agent tells you that fee structures are not negotiable find another agent.

When don`t I use a Realtor? The reality is that most For Sale By Owners (FSBO) are out to lunch on their listing price and expectations. Most haven`t come to the reality of today`s market and are still asking peak pricing. They want top dollar and don`t want to pay any fees. These aren`t motivated sellers. They are just trolling to see if they can find someone to help them hit pay dirt. Having said that, FSBOs can often be an outstanding place for finding motivated sellers. As a buyer, I can talk directly to the seller and find out what their true motivations are and help them out as best as I can. This is nearly impossible with agents involved. FSBOs can also be a great place for using advanced "creative" real estate strategies such as Rent-To-Owns or Agreements For Sale. Many people bought their homes at the peak of the market and have little equity to pay a realtor so they are forced onto the FSBO market thus creative strategies like this can be a great option for them. I would use a heavy dose of caution here as it can also be a way to get into an ugly legal battle but if you know what you are doing then all the power to you!

When selling a home I almost always use a realtor simply for the negotiating edge. A great realtor will help keep the emotions to a minimum and insulate you from what can be a stressful transaction. A top agent will help you get market value in a timely maner for your home, facilitate the negotiations, and provide expertise that most common folk don`t have. I am a big proponent of using experts. You don`t cut my own hair just because you can so what makes you think that you can sell a home more effectively than a pro?

In closing, there are times when real estate agents are not worth their commissions but for most people they still make sense for the majority of transactions. If you have the time and expertise go ahead and save yourself a few dollars but keep in mind what it might cost you.

I would love to hear your thoughts! Are realtors paid too much? When are you using them? How did you find a great realtor? Have you listed your house on a FSBO site?
 
I think another good question is: Does the public understand the value proposition that realtors offer? Why or why not?

Speaking for myself, unfortunately I`ve never worked with a realtor where I felt that they had my best interests at heart.

In addition, being in sales myself, I haven`t met many realtors who have impressed me with their supposed negotiating skills.

Best regards.
 
Wade some interesting food for thought.




You mention you use a Realtor for 90% of your transactions... I am in the same boat as you, I am trying to think if i have ever not used a Realtor. Even on the sale of one of my rent to own properties (to the tenant in the property), my Realtor helped and I compensated him for his time.







My biggest criteria for working with a Realtor is that they have a large supply of properties to buy, and when I want to sell they have a large hungry list of people who want to buy.
Now to build and nurture this list of buyers and sellers costs time and money.







My personal opinion is if someone wants to go out on their own expense, work hard and build a large list of properties for me to buy and have a large list of buyers when I want to sell, I am willing to compensate them for 'use of these lists'. At the end of the day I have the choice to determine if I received value for the money I spend. If I am not getting value for the money I spend, I will make changes. If I am happy with the service I am getting from my Realtor, I will keep using them.






** Special download available for REIN` members **




There is a report and an audio download for REIN` member >> you can click here to read the report "120 Creative Ways to Find Real Estate", and listen to the 60 minute audio presentation, where you will learn how/ where to find property, how to find and work with a Realtor, and some out of the box strategies to buy and sell properties --> click here for REIN` member audio and report
 
Hi Russell, thank you for sharing the 120 Creative Ways To Find Real Estate!





Quick question, in the report you refer to having a realtor take you to see FSBO`s and paying them if you buy...


`Take your realtor with you to FSBO`s and pay them a cash amount if you


buy. Realtors spot FSBO signs before anyone else and they will call you next


time they see one` they become a second pair of eyes for you, especially if


they know they`ll get a fee for finding it for you without listing it.`


How do you structure this payment? Would this amount be the same as the typical cooperating brokerage`s commission?


Thank you in advance,


Erwin
 
I can't speak for Russell, but I tend to use a similar structure, or a flat rate, just so I have confidence I'll be able to feed my family at the end of the day. One thing that investors like him have going for it, is volume. I can deal with a smaller commission on a FSBO deal, because I know he'll go buy 9 more through MLS at full commission and we're working together towards long term success.
 
Erwin, thanks for your note and great question.






Here is how I work with my Realtor regarding FSBO's. When he finds a good property that fits my criteria, and target market. He will send me a property proforma with the all the cashflow analysis>> I have to decide pass or play >> pass move on -or-






If it fits my criteria, my Realtor will contact the seller and the conversation goes something like this "I am a Realtor that specializes in this area and your type of property. I have a database of qualified buyers who can write solid offers, and will be able to close on the property if we write an offer. Would you be willing to entertain an offer from one of my clients, and be willing to pay a small commission (to be negotiated-- typically it can be around $5,000 ish-- pending price and work involved) to me for connecting you with one of my qualified buyers"? I want the seller to pay for my Realtor services-- most times the seller is open to this conversation.







Now if the seller of the FSBO tells my Realtor to 'pound sand' (technical term), I then have to decide if I want to enter a negotiation with this seller (in a way the seller has clearly stated their motivation level). If and only if, the deal is great (below market value), will I continue to pursue the offer (through my Realtor). He will handle all the details of the buying process (negotiating, contracts, conveyancing, appraisals, inspections, lining up contractors etc...) and I will compensate my Realtor for his time.






The least I have paid is $1,000 for very simple deal, and the most I paid was $3,000 for a more involved complex transaction... this is something that we negotiate and agree to in advance. Plus if my Realtor came to me before the closing and told me that they are doing a tremendous amount of work and feel the $2,500 (or whatever you agree too) is not enough to cover his time, we will have an open and honest conversation as adults and agree or not to amend.






From my experience most people who 'list' via a FSBO site, typically are out of whack with their pricing, I often find FSBO's are testing and fishing in the market... however you do every so ofter find a diamond in the rough, and can buy a good property at or a bit below market value. As sophisticated investors we need to have multiple sources of properties and experts on our team that know more than we do about finding properties. I am not shy about surrounding myself with people who are sharper and know more than I do about Real Estate... after all isn't that how we all expand and improve.






Sorry for the rambling... hope this helps, Seasons Greetings
 
Thanks Russell! Great post/reply /tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-money-mouth.gif, 5 stars!
 
There are other aspects to using or not using a Realtor than the vast majority of people never consider when deciding to list. The number 1 item... TIME.



It takes time to write a GOOD ad. It takes time to place and monitor your advertising. It takes time to answer the phone and all the questions. It takes time to wait for all the no-shows who made an appointment, but did not knock on the door. It takes time and skill to negotiate a sale, and then do the follow up.



I was a Realtor, both commercial and residential, for many years. I will never try to sell my own property.
 
Dan, I find it quite interesting that you (as a former Realtor) would hire a Realtor to complete the transaction... you obviously are someone who sees the value of a Realtor on your team. I have too heard this from my accountant who told me that she would never do her own taxes she hires a professional to complete her own personal taxes, because it takes too much time and the professional would do it better.
 
[quote user=CharlesRaymond]Dan, I find it quite interesting that you (as a former Realtor) would hire a Realtor to complete the transaction...





Hello CharlesRaymond,



It is not uncommon for professionals to want to separate personal from business. In the medical world, doctors rarely have family members as patients as personal bias will cloud one's judgement.



Even Herb Cohen, renowned negotiator who wrote the book on the subject does not negotiate his own deals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-s2qTQa4M because he has too much emotional investment in his own deals making it more difficult to walk away hence giving up leverage at the negotiation table.



That said, I personally feel comfortable selling my own properties :)



Best Regards,

Erwin
 
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