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The 10% filter rule

andrewqy

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Can anyone explain the 10% rule. I live in Victoria BC where an average room rents for $500 a month. If I find a 3 bedroom rental at $500 a room this would gross me $18,000 a year. Using the 10% rule of the purchase price means I have to find a house worth $180,000. I feel like I am missing something here. I appreciate any insight into this.
Thanks,
Andrew
 
Hi Andre,

Great question! First and foremost the 10% rule is primarily a filter - when looking for property it is common to look at quite a few, many will have no chance, and this filter helps chuck the ones that simply won`t work as an investment. However, it is just a filter and does not go in depth into a particular property. I have seen properties work at 7-8% once you get into the real numbers, and you never really know about a particular property until you put in an offer at a price that works. So, use it as a filter, toss the "dogs" and crunch a little further if the % gets up there. But remember, just b/c a property meets the 10% rule, even if it comes in at 20%, make sure it fits your business - don`t chase percentages and be careful depending on city, town, neighbourhood and even building as all can impact your results. Something that looks like a cash cow may be vacant 50% of the time with huge maintenance issues...who knows.

Another important point is that you must become a geographic specialist - ie. know your market, know the area, know the product you invest in, the tenant profile, etc. By becoming a geographic specialist you essentially become an expert in that area, you know your numbers, your tenants and you can act quickly when properties pop up.

Finally, not all places work for investment and some cities/towns will be difficult to find good properties - you don`t have to invest where you live (but it is easier sometimes!).

Hope this helps, tons of helpful info on this site.
 
Hi Ray,

Thanks for the reply. Currently I am looking at flipping houses but will be looking at rental properties in the near future. I am definitely looking for good filters as there is a lot of product here.
Thanks for your time

Andrew
 
If you`re looking to flip houses you may have better luck finding places with some direct marketing: fliers in mailboxes in areas you want to buy, posts on craigslist and kijiji that you buy fixer uppers, pointed letters to owners of houses that need fixing, knocking on doors, bandit signs, etc. The more active you are the better chance you`ll find someone motivated to sell at the right price.

Best of luck
 
QUOTE (andrewqy @ Aug 9 2010, 02:54 PM) Can anyone explain the 10% rule. I live in Victoria BC where an average room rents for $500 a month. If I find a 3 bedroom rental at $500 a room this would gross me $18,000 a year. Using the 10% rule of the purchase price means I have to find a house worth $180,000.
that is a coarse first filter .. and you will find that for $180,000 NOT ONE HOUSE is available in Victoria !

Another rule of thumb is 12 times annual rent .. or 8% .. so roughly $220,000 in your case ! Also tough .. but doable if uglier part of town or ugly property (or both).

You will find that the "classic buy-with25%-down-and-hold for 5+years REIN model" does NOT work well in big cities .. better in the suburbs or outlying areas .. or small houses / townhouses !!

Much digging is required .. not an easy path to wealth .. very doable though for the mentally tough and the diggers !!
 
great info. I have incorporated direct door drop letters into my jogging routine and have posted on 2 local websites here.
Thanks for taking the time to help

Andrew
 
QUOTE (andrewqy @ Aug 9 2010, 03:29 PM)
... Currently I am looking at flipping houses ...


flipping works well if

a) you have lots of cash for a quick close, and/or

b) an ability to find 20%+ under-valued properties, and/or

c) an ability to get terms from seller, and/or

d) a pipeline of buyers that take it off your hand fast, and/or

e) an ability to sell w/o a realtor



or best: if you have ALL OF THE ABOVE !!



Once you add realtor costs, holding costs (taxes, utilities, financing costs, insurance), legal fees and the usually required repair it is tough to make a fast buck with flipping houses !



As a novice the chance you get burned is quite high .. so proceed with extreme caution !!



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Hi Thomas,

Thanks for that. I am a novice at this point but with a will to succeed and not afraid to learn from mistakes (though I would rather learn from the mistakes of others). I was looking at houses to flip to gain the capital I need to get into holding properties for their rental income. As such I am looking for a JV with the money to help as I find the houses to flip. My day job allows me to look for the hidden gems and the time to make the offers. (oops was that a pitch).
Anyways, I appreciate your help, some necessary stuff to consider.
PS, great blog of yours, just started reading it.

Regards,

Andrew
 
Hello Andrew,

I`ve experienced the same issue with the 10% rule in Vancouver and the Fraser Valley.
There simply are not many properties that even come close to making the 10%, 9%, 8% etc.
And when I do find a property that works I discover that no rentals are allowed.


As Ray posted we need to look at all the numbers if you find a property with potential in your target area.
Good luck with the flips.

Sincerely,
Alan
 
QUOTE (andrewqy @ Aug 9 2010, 04:55 PM) .. As such I am looking for a JV with the money to help as I find the houses to flip. ..
Hard to find JV partners unless done by yourself a few times with your own money !
 
Alan, thanks for the post. Definitely have to look at all the numbers. There are some great neighborhoods with potential in Victoria, just need to stick to the plan and keep the eye on the prize.
Thomas, luckily I have done some flips with my own money but these have just been my own houses that I have built/renovated and then sold. Now I am looking at bigger projects where a mentor would be a huge asset. I appreciate the help along the way and will help others with my own successes.
 
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