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The $100,000 Difference

wgraham

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I bumped into a friend of mine the other day in the market. He is expecting his child just a few days after Tammy and I are expecting so naturally we had lots to talk about. In the conversation we got to talking about a new vehicle purchase that they were making and how they were concerned about the extra payment while his wife was on maternity leave as they were going to use their Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) to make the purchase.

I immediately had some concerns about his strategy and suggested rethinking their plan. Here is two ways to use your HELOC or LOC. One puts you further a head in the financial world and the other puts you much further behind. Lets look at the different strategies.

Option 1. Use your LOC to buy a Car.

Lets say that the car is a really nice one and has all of the latest features and therefore comes in at $50,000. At an interest rate of 2.25% amortized over 35 years the monthly payment would be 171.84. (Remember that this isn`t a car loan as that would be much higher.) At the end of 5 years the car is probably worth half of the purchase price. So lets just make the math very easy and say that the car cost them $10,000 in Interest and $25,000 in depreciated value for a total debt of $35,000. Unless they were buying this through a business (which they were not) then there wouldn`t be any tax offsets for this purchase

Option 2 Use your LOC to buy an Investment Property

Now let`s take that $50,000 LOC and buy an investment property worth $250,000. (Again I am going to use easy numbers to make my point and they may not be real life numbers). They rent out the property for 5 years and each month they pocket $250 in profit from the rent, pay down the mortgage another $250 monthly and the house value is now $300,000. At the end of the day they have $80,000 in there pocket.

But lets not forget about the interest payments on the LOC that cost them $10,000. There is one VERY LARGE difference though......IT IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE BECAUSE IT WAS AN INVESTMENT!!! So let`s cut it down to $7500 (Again I am using easy numbers here to make my point and they may not be real world numbers)

This constitutes a profit of $72,500 opposed to a debt of $35,000.

But what about his need for a new safe car for his family you say. Do you think the monthly cash flow of $250 would pay for a leased or financed vehicle...probably not a $50,000 vehicle but it would pay for a $30,000 car he is still much much further ahead!!

If one friend took Option 1 to have that fancy new car and another friend took Option 2 and sacrificed the sexy new car at the end of 5 years there would be $100,000 difference in their net worth.

It is simple yet very effective investment and purchasing choices like this one that financially separate people very quickly.
 
Excellent post. Good example of a sophisticated real estate investor...
 
Being old school myself I have always chosen option #3.

I never borrow money to purchase a depreciating liability.

When buying cars I never pay more than I have available in cash, and generally stay under $12,000.
I buy cars the same way I buy real estate. I hunt down great deals and generally keep them on average 8 years.
 
This post was written by someone who doesn`t appreciate the quality of life improvement that driving an audi s5 provides.
Everyone`s Belize is different.
Nothing wrong with dieing broke.
 
QUOTE (housingrental @ Jan 20 2010, 10:11 PM) This post was written by someone who doesn`t appreciate the quality of life improvement that driving an audi s5 provides.
Everyone`s Belize is different.
Nothing wrong with dieing broke.


-Threadjack-

Do you have an S5 Adam?
 
No
Came close to pulling the trigger on it a few months ago
Couldn`t bring myself to part with the extra $$ or extra $1k per month in fees

I still regret it though
In another year and half I think I will or S4.
 
Too much risk of personal injury during use
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QUOTE (JimWhitelaw @ Jan 21 2010, 07:16 PM)
Keep saving for the R8!
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buy liabilities with the money made from assets.....i learned that...and bought a property...still haven`t purchased my first car...my girlfriend is my driver haha!
 
(WARNING: nothing meaniful contributed below)

Excellent discussion, right up my alley for a number of reasons:
1. I only use our HELOC for real estate purchases
2. Always buy vehicles in cash, NEVER new but not crappy either
3. unlike many guys, for me a vehicle is simply a faster way to get from A to B than a bicycle
4. I`ve almost killed myself too many times driving my 2002 MPV... Heaven help me if I find a vehicle that can do over 130 without shaking.
I`m not afraid enough of death to justify buying a sportscar, motorcycle...or even an ATV!

Unfortunately I do have a sweet tooth for extreme sports so my Belize will include more skydiving than driving.
(Although I do intend on taking a high speed driving course, just for kicks)

I find it so unfortunate that so many of the youth these days seem to be completely malnourished financially. The idea of "not spending money you don`t have" seems rather rediculous to the ones I talk to, as if they don`t understand the difference between a credit card and a bank card. Maybe Nintendo has to come up with first person shooter, high body count action game about investing in real estate!
 
I will continue with the high jacking of the thread.

S5 is a great car. Unfortunately for me only 2 doors I have been vetoed from a 2 door car. Have you ever tried to put a kid in the car seat in the back of one of those.

At this point I am thinking a nice 5 series 2008ish.
 
Under standable

A respectable and impressive automobile that meets wife approval

You should go for a 2005 M5 instead. She won't notice the difference.






QUOTE (markl @ Jan 22 2010, 09:14 AM)
I will continue with the high jacking of the thread.



S5 is a great car. Unfortunately for me only 2 doors I have been vetoed from a 2 door car. Have you ever tried to put a kid in the car seat in the back of one of those.



At this point I am thinking a nice 5 series 2008ish.
 
QUOTE (JimWhitelaw @ Jan 21 2010, 05:16 PM) Keep saving for the R8!


R8 V10 is killing the 911 TT in all the mags I`ve read. I`ve seen a few R8s around town and they look much better in person than in photos. Not sure I`d pick one over the 2010 911 turbo though..

My dad has a 2000 M5 and it is a fantastic car. I don`t like the styling of the E60 (2005-current) 5 series but their motors are superb in any trim.
 
QUOTE (RedlineBrett @ Jan 24 2010, 03:22 PM)
R8 V10 is killing the 911 TT in all the mags I've read. I've seen a few R8s around town and they look much better in person than in photos. Not sure I'd pick one over the 2010 911 turbo though..



My dad has a 2000 M5 and it is a fantastic car. I don't like the styling of the E60 (2005-current) 5 series but their motors are superb in any trim.




Yeash....It put up a post about not buying your sexy car and you guys completely derail it into M5, R8 and 911 Turbos
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Nice work boys.
 
If it helps, I`m trying to do the sensible thing by not responding to Brett.
The less I think about it the less chance of talking myself into needing the 911.

QUOTE (wgraham @ Jan 25 2010, 12:43 PM) Yeash....It put up a post about not buying your sexy car and you guys completely derail it into M5, R8 and 911 Turbos
Nice work boys.
 
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