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Why does it take so long to get financing?

RedlineBrett

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I have had a number of REIN clients be adamant about a 10 business day financing condition removal period.

Pushing for this has made it difficult for me to negotiate other terms as most residential buyers only need five days max if they are pre-approved. It puts off a bad vibe to the sellers as it gives off the impression my guys can`t easily afford the property.

As a listing agent I have had financing clauses removed in *one or two* business days. I have made offers for REIN members for ten days and have been lucky to get seven in most instances.

I know that investment property purchases are more complex but why can`t most of the portfolio analysis be done prior to actually having a property selected?

What are the banks/mortgage brokerages doing with all this time? Ten business days is a LONG time for anything!

What can REIN members do in advance to be more competitive with their financing clauses?

Thanks!
 
QUOTE (RedlineBrett @ Sep 26 2008, 12:29 PM) I have had a number of REIN clients be adamant about a 10 business day financing condition removal period.

Pushing for this has made it difficult for me to negotiate other terms as most residential buyers only need five days max if they are pre-approved. It puts off a bad vibe to the sellers as it gives off the impression my guys can`t easily afford the property.

As a listing agent I have had financing clauses removed in *one or two* business days. I have made offers for REIN members for ten days and have been lucky to get seven in most instances.

I know that investment property purchases are more complex but why can`t most of the portfolio analysis be done prior to actually having a property selected?

What are the banks/mortgage brokerages doing with all this time? Ten business days is a LONG time for anything!

What can REIN members do in advance to be more competitive with their financing clauses?

Thanks!


Thanks for this posting!
Being a Buyer Agent in Barrie, Ontario for a lot of REIN members, this has puzzled me as well. It does prove very challenging when acting on clients behalf when negotiating only because the question of your `credit worthiness` and `financial good standing` comes into play. The Selling agent questions me and believes that my clients are not financially qualified and either
a: change the conditional period to 5 (five) banking days (which seems to be the `norm`)
b: refuse the offer since we`re persistent about the ten days.

I totally understand that the buyer has due diligence to get done. However, the concern: sellers do not want their property off the market and unavailable for that long, therefore missing out on other potential buyers should the offer fall thru.

What I`ve done in the meantime to try and mutually satisfy both parties and get the deal through are:
1: add an 48/72 hour escape clause which allows the seller to continue to offer the property for sale and in the event another offer comes through, the buyer has that time to remove all conditions
2: have the buyer do their preliminary work and try seven (7) days.

It`s really unfortunate for me to see some of my buyer clients lose out on great cash flow opportunities because we can`t get the seller and his/her agent to accept our offers based on our terms of 10 (ten).

Look forward to hearing from others.
 
QUOTE (RedlineBrett @ Sep 26 2008, 09:29 AM) I have had a number of REIN clients be adamant about a 10 business day financing condition removal period.

Pushing for this has made it difficult for me to negotiate other terms as most residential buyers only need five days max if they are pre-approved. It puts off a bad vibe to the sellers as it gives off the impression my guys can`t easily afford the property.

As a listing agent I have had financing clauses removed in *one or two* business days. I have made offers for REIN members for ten days and have been lucky to get seven in most instances.

I know that investment property purchases are more complex but why can`t most of the portfolio analysis be done prior to actually having a property selected?

What are the banks/mortgage brokerages doing with all this time? Ten business days is a LONG time for anything!

What can REIN members do in advance to be more competitive with their financing clauses?

Thanks!


Financing on rental properties is always tougher than on owner occupied homes as there are alot more variables. Your typical client searching for a residence goes out and gets preapproved. He knows how much he is putting down, the type of mortgage he`ll likely choose, what his payments will be, and the amount that he is prequalified for based on his income/downpayment. The only real variable is the property itself which in most cases, is in very good condition. With most lenders, on owner occupied properties an appraisal is not even required as lenders can either insure or use a property assessment tool to confirm the value. For most strong residential purchasers subjects can be removed in as little as a few days.

The typical purchaser of a rental property is working with far more variables- many of which can`t be factored in until the property is actually purchased. The appraisal is key to the both the banks decision and the clients.

All rentals require appraisals (unless of course they are insured) so the subject removal period has to allow enough time for the insurer to go in, compile their report and send it to the bank. This all depends on the appraiser and the owner of the property. If the appraiser is very busy, it can take much longer and if the owner/tenant in the property is uncooperative, it can also delay things.

It is not until the appraiser has completed their report that the broker/banker and fully qualify the file. Most clients cannot afford to carry a rental property without using rents to qualify - only the appraiser can confirm the rents for the bank and often those amounts are signifigantly less than based on the clients estimate - and the figure used to prequalify. If they purchase a home with an illegal suite, in most cases those rents cannot be used - again something we often don`t know until the appraiser goes out. If the rent figure offered by the appraiser is not what was used to qualify, the file has to be underwritten again, requalified and in some cases, sent to a different lender and the file started over again.

For clients with a porfolio, the lease agreements/mortgage statements of thier other properties need to be provided. While the broker already has, and has usually reviewed these items as part of the prequalification process, the bank needs to review them as well once the offer is accepted. If its a large portfolio, its big task for the lender and takes some time. Upon review they may request additional documents to be provided which would also need to be reviewed.

Many REIN members also use more creative financing structures which are part of the offer, and such cannot be reviewed until the offer is accepted. If there is a VTB or cashback, the bank needs to review the details and if the combined LTV is greater than 80%, it usually needs to go to a head office for exception review. If the client wishes to do a purchase plus improvments, it will be property specific and the majority of the doc collection cannot commence until the offer is accepted.

Often, due the variables, the final financing committment is not what the client/broker had originally intended. The type/age of property may cause the LTV to be reduced, the amoritization to be reduced, or the rate amended. Once a firm committment is obtained based on appraisers rents, the cleint and broker need to decide if the financing arrangement works with thier portfolio and long term plan.

Hope that helps,
 
Thank you for your input Peter.

Believe it or not, in my recent purchase, the seller`s agent actually requested to EXTEND condition removal date! They gave me a total of 20 days to removal all conditions!! Talking about professionalism. She couldn`t provide me all the condo document that I needed, and yet she didn`t even order one to have it ready for buyers to review! I would hate to be her client.

Tommy
 
I`ll also add that it`s not uncommon for one to two business days to pass before your broker gets the commitment letter back from the lender. This can be even longer if deal volumes are really heavy. It also typically takes 24 hours to have documentation reviewed by the lender. Tenants have to be given 24 hours notice before the appraiser gets into the property. The appraiser needs time to put a report together.
And everybody is busy with a stack of files.
Underwriters sometimes have to handle 20 or more deals a day. They don`t just rubber stamp deals. They have to analyze whether it makes sense and they`re under pressure because they have to justify why they approved a deal if it goes bad down the road.
I dealt with one underwriter this week who is a one man show. In addition to underwriting deals, he is the business development officer - responsible for attracting business from mortgage brokers plus answering technical questions about deals - and also has to process the documentation for deals.
I understand it`s not uncommon for appraisers to do four or five appraisals a day. Their job is a lot more involved than just walking through the property and snapping a few photos. It takes time and analysis to produce their reports.
Mortgage brokers have multiple deals in various stages of approval, documentation processing, etc.
I think we`d all be well served by a little education and understanding regarding the challenges faced by other professionals in the real estate industry.
Average home buyers and sellers only do a handful of transactions - usually years apart -in their lifetimes. They`d benefit from getting a bit of coaching from their realtors, from their mortgage brokers, from their lawyers, etc. about how the process works and what constitutes reasonable timelines.
Who`s pushing tight financing condition dates? The vendors? Or their realtors?
Everyone involved in a deal wants to get it done. After all, most of us only get paid when the deal is done.
Unreasonably tight timelines for the sake of having tight timelines aren`t beneficial and shouldn`t be the norm.
 
Hi,
In today`s buyers` market environment in most areas, sellers are not expected to reject offers due to financing condition removal period, especially not investment properties. Those (sellers) who do (reject) are the exception not the buyers as this has nothing to do with `credit worthiness` and `financial good standing` but simply the amount of time it takes, as Peter explained, to complete the process without putting too much pressure on the professionals involved.
Bye.
 
Hi Peter,

Yes that helps me to understand what is going on - most of that stuff I expected but it`s good to get the straight info from a credible source.

However, given your unique expertise, what can REIN members do in the `pre-qualify` stage to shorten this timeframe and make us more competitive?

Off the top of my head I can think of a few, perhaps you could either strike some off or add to this list?

1. Better disclosure of what type of property we want to buy to the brokers (illegal vs. legal suites)?

2. Do REIN buyers need to be providing the contact info for their brokerages to help substantiate the time requirement to the seller and seller`s agent?

3. Shouldn`t the portfolio analysis be done, finished 100% as a pre-qualifier so that the buyer knows before offering exactly what type of property\rental income their portfolio can handle before writing something up?

4. Should we be adamant that our brokers have cultivated a list of appraisers that understand the income generated from certain types of property and thus provide more favorable appraisals? Perhaps their are some REIN member appraisers out there??

5. Does the goldmine scorecard or property evaluation process need to be re-visted in the wake of new financing hurdles?

Anyone care to comment on or add to this list?
 
This post just simply isn`t accurate for some properties and local markets. While it`s a buyers market some sellers do truly want to sell and I have been selling places with a DOM of less than a week and also been in competing offers and backup offer situations. Terms matter in these cases.

When you are a seller and aren`t in the investment property game and are also being represented by a realtor that doesn`t sell any investment property you have a much different perspective than us REIN members do.

Put yourself in their shoes - you have one buyer that needs two days to remove conditions and wants to live in the property and another that needs two weeks and won`t...which would you feel better about?

Given that every investor wants a killer price the best way to sell that price is to be able to give excellent terms and confidence to the seller that the deal will get done. Huge financing windows don`t give off this vibe.

Also - it`s a buyers market now but we all know that another sellers market is around the corner... So best to figure this out now!

QUOTE (investmart @ Sep 28 2008, 09:43 PM) Hi,
In today`s buyers` market environment in most areas, sellers are not expected to reject offers due to financing condition removal period, especially not investment properties. Those (sellers) who do (reject) are the exception not the buyers as this has nothing to do with `credit worthiness` and `financial good standing` but simply the amount of time it takes, as Peter explained, to complete the process without putting too much pressure on the professionals involved.
Bye.
 
This is...an excellent post.

I am one of those REIN members that have insisted on 10 day conditional financing period until my most recent offer. Upon the acceptance, I had it negotiated to 7 days.

That was a week ago. Today, I am looking to get the offer extended. In my opinion, don`t change what works. It was my choice to do that because this was a great negotiated offer...but now I`m wondering if I could have continued to push the envelope and leave the 10 days in the first place.

And for those that are reading about this lengthly process, I work with many of the professionals here as suggested by REIN. So, I know that the time needed is needed for a reason.

Joey | JDR Investment Group
 
I think you`ll find that time line lengthen even more over the next 12 months as banks figure out what they can do and what they want to do.

It is MORE important than ever before to prepare your Sophisticated Investor Binder with the NEW Checklist (you can throw out the old one). Get that into your brokers hands WELL before you even have a deal under contract so that they can do a quick review and see where you need to clean up and what your real potential for lending is, under the new banking rules.

It takes some time to put that binder together properly (and that is why we have re-presented this subject at REIN over the last couple of months). It will make all of the difference in the world.

P.S. There are a lot of motivated vendors in this market, so try to negotiate back to the 10+ days with a cover letter that explains why!
 
QUOTE (RedlineBrett @ Sep 29 2008, 11:01 AM) Put yourself in their shoes - you have one buyer that needs two days to remove conditions and wants to live in the property and another that needs two weeks and won`t...which would you feel better about?

Given that every investor wants a killer price the best way to sell that price is to be able to give excellent terms and confidence to the seller that the deal will get done. Huge financing windows don`t give off this vibe.

Also - it`s a buyers market now but we all know that another sellers market is around the corner... So best to figure this out now!

Hi Brett,
How about approaching negotiations by letting the vendors get the closing date they want in exchange for the condition date your buyer`s want?
I imagine the closing date might end up being of greater significance to the seller and would potentially trump other buyers who are offering sooner conditions dates.
Jason
 
QUOTE (DonCampbell @ Sep 29 2008, 03:25 PM) I think you`ll find that time line lengthen even more over the next 12 months as banks figure out what they can do and what they want to do.

That is a very good point. Especially now with the changes and tightening up of lending practices. I`m going to use that when negotiating now actually.

What a few realtors have admitted to me BEFORE they`ve even presented an offer is change the conditional period to five because `it`s the standard`. I`ve challenged them that it must be presented to their clients and not acting for themselves and there is no "standard".
 
QUOTE (JDRInvestments @ Sep 29 2008, 01:32 PM) This is...an excellent post.

I am one of those REIN members that have insisted on 10 day conditional financing period until my most recent offer. Upon the acceptance, I had it negotiated to 7 days.

That was a week ago. Today, I am looking to get the offer extended. In my opinion, don`t change what works. It was my choice to do that because this was a great negotiated offer...but now I`m wondering if I could have continued to push the envelope and leave the 10 days in the first place.

And for those that are reading about this lengthly process, I work with many of the professionals here as suggested by REIN. So, I know that the time needed is needed for a reason.

Joey | JDR Investment Group



Yes Joey. You`ve been a very good boy and following the systems
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That deal however, was a little challenging because we didn`t have cooperation from the other agent whom was advising the sellers and we went back and forth several times. It was great we walked away for a few weeks and then came back. At that point, we had them, hooked them in and got an extension. You actually have 12 days now
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Great post Brett, thanks for putting this out there. The best thing that REIN members can do is exactly what Peter has been preaching from the start. Have an up to date accurate investor binder. It won`t make all things perfect but it sure helps us as mortgage brokers tell the story to the lender in a better way. The mortgage market is getting harder for investors every day and the more professional you are the better our chances. A year ago just about any thing was possible, now it is very different.

If we as REIN members actually do what we are taught by Don and the gang, it really does work. What happens though is often we go forward ignoring some of the "simple" steps and it really does have an effect. Allow at leats 10 days for condition removal and sometimes we get lucky. Sometimes we will still need an extension.
 
QUOTE (ShannonMurree @ Sep 30 2008, 09:58 AM) Yes Joey. You`ve been a very good boy and following the systems
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That deal however, was a little challenging because we didn`t have cooperation from the other agent whom was advising the sellers and we went back and forth several times. It was great we walked away for a few weeks and then came back. At that point, we had them, hooked them in and got an extension. You actually have 12 days now
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The post was actually a huge compliment to my team! Which includes you!

Onwards and upwards!

J
 
Thanks Brett, Great post.

I usually put a financing condition removal period of 15 business days . It helps me "filter out" sellers who put too much pressure on me. However, it`s mainly for purchasing multi-plexes and in certain areas. Still, I know I may lose deals as a result. on the other hand... I only buy/need 1 at a time :-)

Regards,
Neil
 
What we found in our process was that we pushed our mortgage people pretty hard to do the deal. We have decided if we can`t get the terms we want, we are just going to walk away from it. I know when we had our property listed for sale the buyer asked for an extra 7 days, we gave 14. We want the buyer to enjoy the purchase and not be stressed out, and we as sellers prefer the same thing.

Our financing wasn`t complicated just pretty straight forward and it took 10 days, you go with less than you are rushing around to get extensions which is just more work for everyone to make time.

I think good realtors can sell the deal, these same people will become aware of the time it takes when they go to do there own purchase

those are my thoughts but |I am really glad the topic was brought up. You have to do what is right for you.
 
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